Fatherly Love: Why This Photo Went Viral

That is a beautiful picture; especially when you read the story that goes with it. A father taking care of his sick child. Even apart from the circumstances it demonstrates a father’s love for his child. If it had been a woman holding her child would anyone have complained?
Only the most perverted person would find something unholy in this picture.

My personal opinion is, I don’t see anything wrong with the photo, however I would question the wife showing it on social media and what were her true motives? I don’t know of anyone who would do this.

This is a beautiful picture. Anyone who says that parents should never be naked in front of their kids is advocating children being trained to believe that nakedness is “nasty”. The child was 1 year old, for pete’s sake. If the child had been older it might be different. A small child does not have sexual feelings toward nakedness. We are all born naked, by the way.

Yes, I would react even if it is a mother holding the child. The point is there is exposed nakedness to the viewing public. Within the home, the adult couple understands the situation and context it was done and the event will pass. External senses can most often than not cause discrimination and judgmental views.

It’s sad that some people would consider this picture to be inappropriate in any sense. Fortunately for the father, it was his son and not a daughter or the angry mobs would have already drawn and quartered the poor guy.

Knowing the story behind it there is nothing wrong with the picture apart from it being weird you cannot see the father’s face and therefore his expression, which might have been full of compassion and therefore understandable. People who don’t accept nakedness as normal parent to child experience are just causing their children to have complexes in later life. Children need to know what adults look like as that is what they will be growing into themselves! One should never be ashamed of the naked body, we are all naked under our clothes. I have friends who go with their kids to nudist holidays and they are the most down to earth sensible kids you can find.

Superstitions about nudity have no place here. I think we all wish a full recovery for the infant.

Nudity – should we keep our bodies hidden from children so they think their own bodies are shameful and need to be hidden? So many reactions to the nude father with the sick child seem overly suspicious of the father’s intentions. I think nudity is best left to the family and what they are comfortable with explaining life to their children. Outsiders should myob unless there is a clear and present danger with facts about child abuse. None appear in this picture. I am over explaining this whole thing. I am just glad the dad cares about the sick child – so often that is mother’s job.

Unfortunately, any picture with a father cuddling his child be it male or female should be absolutely fine and heart warming. However lovely the picture looks and affectionately heart warming we all know too well that there are too many animals in this world under the cover as “men”. They will convince you that it is pure love for their child. They will behave and groom you as an adult to take their side and make any person who has great insight feel like they are the monster with warped minds. I would be disturbed if I saw an adult male couplingng his child – gender don’t come into it as to a monster most of the times it doesn’t matter. I wish that we could trust men and we should be able to trust men. But the all too many proven sad fact is we can’t. It is going to take a long time to see men become strong, not cave into the stigma of the white monster in the closset (as usually is) and not go on the defense to how society see men. They will have to show great strength and somehow prove to society that men can be caring, reliable with depth and breadth and most importantly when they see other inappropriate male behaviour show responsibility with a mentoring attitude towards other males to behave better. Men have allowed themselves to fall very much behind (females) when it comes to morale and depth of behaviour and they have a long way to climb up the moral and mentoring ladder. In an ideal world this picture would pose no problem whatsoever but we don’t live in an ideal world. And although some of you might have experience great fatherly love, unfortunately the majority of us don’t – we experience abuse in some shape or form at the hands of our male paternal guardian. It’s sad that a huge proportion of abuse is depraved!

The picture itself and the story behind it is pure and lovely. But in the real world most children experience some type or form of abuse from their male paternal guardian. Men are simply not reliable or consistent when it comes to paternalship. They are committed for the period they want to be committed for and when they’ve had enough it becomes another period as in now (that was then). This sort of lovingness from fathers are very rare sadly and I wish it was the norm. There’s no point in us kidding ourselves to try and give men a positive picture as it’s not about promoting men in the best of light when actions speak loud and clear for decades. It’s about reality because the picture does not reflect reality most of the time. I’m afraid morally and compassionately men fall short when necessary and as for climbing the ladder and showing they can be reliable, we’ll see if men will evolve. Men tend to go on the defensive all the time rather than prove that they can be consistently loving, paternal, reliable and mentor other males bad behaviour to do better (and not pull their good name under – they tend to let it happen). Not put up with it if in their face to create a better male inclusion when it comes to raising society. Men are still on the outside when it comes to these things. I so wish I could trust men with children but we can’t the white closet monster still existst!!!

Nudity?? Frankly one sees more flesh on the beach than in that photo, it is obvious both are in the shower, where being without clothes is common. I see a beautiful picture of a man trying to comfort his child, the sex of the child is unimportant too. Personally, I wouldn’t share such a moment on social media where trolls abound, but it is a remarkably sensitive portrayal of a father and child.

Show me the data that says a ‘majority’ of us don’t experience great fatherly love. While I agree that men fall behind women in interpersonal relationships (during prehistoric times, women stayed behind as the men hunted. If the women did not share common morality, the result was banishment into a hostile world without defense. Thus, women who got along with others in the society were more able to pass their genetics along. Men?? ..still knuckle draggers for the most part, but learning to catch up in modern society.) I disagree with you that a majority of fathers are abusers

people with dirty minds don’t like it

With so much sexual abuse of innocent children by pedophiles along with child trafficking and child porn and not much done in the way of putting an end to these crimes , this father could have and should have put on underwear. This is why many find it disturbing.

That’s true, but adults do and there is a growing disgust with pedophiles raping babies and children as well as child trafficking and child porn. It is a very evil and disturbing occurrence and no real effort to stop it. Not saying that these parents are such.

I suspect you and others that think like you believe it is ok for encouraging children into believing they are transgender as well as allowing the opposite sex to share the bathroom with your child.

Not sexual at all. But I might not post them if it were me. But I am not critical of it.

It’s the way he ARE!!!! We ARE naked…period.

I believe that we should encourage our children to accept whomever they are–straight, gay, bi, transgendered–and to understand that there are some people (‘you and others that think like you’ to quote your comment) who will never understand.

A beautiful photograph showing the love & commitment that this man has to his child. Anyone who does have an issue with this photo, may want to try & figure out what is ‘coloring their sight’ that they are unable to see the beauty in it!

Agreed….sensitive and touching. I also agree that maybe this photo should have been one set in a frame and placed on the child’s dresser to know his father love for years to come, rather than posted for the “public to comment and judge”. By the way,to those who feel the father should have at least worn underpants into the shower…..take a closer look……how do you know if he did or didn’t?

wow – people who think that’s wrong are some sick puppies – pretty basic

Very touching photo and it radiates compassion by the father for his sick son. I would suppose that the water is just warm enough to comfort and soothe the little boy who is fast asleep on his caring father’s lap. Pity though that one does not see the man’s face as I would have loved to see the expression of love and concern etched in his features. Oh, and by the way, there is nothing remotely suggesting sexuality of any kind – the photo is very tastefully taken. Thanks for sharing!

WELL PUT!!

Where did it say that he didnt have underwear on?? (just wondering)

Oh come on now…the way he is sitting, how can you tell if he has his briefs on or not??? People, at times, are so ready to rush into judgement.

I see nothing wrong with the picture, just shows a loving father consoling his sick child. It shows the love he has for this child and it would be a great lesson for the entire world to show compassion for the sick and afflicted and help unite families together.
This political correctness is what’s tearing this country apart. The lame brained government we have here in this country is trying with all they have to tear families apart and just want to destroy this country.

Don’t be ridiculous – what kind of moron wears clothes in the shower?

I don’t see anything wrong with it but some pervert might enjoy it a little to much

Your comment is interesting. I’m not sure how it relates to my comment, though. My comment refers to the fact that a father holding his sick baby in the shower is completely innocent. The picture was taken by the mother, which enhances its legitimacy in my opinion. I was also making a point that too many people will take one look and think it’s child molestation. I don’t see how these points relate to transgender children. I think you are probably just trying to ruffle my feathers, which isn’t possible. I strongly support your right to post as your belief systems guides you, whether I agree or not. But since you brought it up, I have never heard of a case of someone “encouraging” a child to believing they are transgender. And I have no problem with a transgender girl sharing a bathroom with my daughters. My daughters would have no problem with it either because they are all wonderfully accepting of the differences found among members of the human race. So if that makes me a bad guy in your opinion, I accept that, because I know that I’m not.

You’ve obviously had some bad experience(s) with a man (or men) and you are making blanket statements that in most cases will not be true. I have known (and know) women who fit the same descriptions and qualities that you are applying to men. Whatever experience you have had (or are having) you need to grow up and move on. Get over it.

Yes, precisely.

We, here in the West, and i mean Western Civilization, are so twisted in what we believe to be OK or NORMAL rather than Taboo or Wrong.. Skin , Nakedness, Flesh…it is what we ARE! We dare Flesh and Blood… But a great number of us have been taught that SKIN, NUDITY, FLESH are bad things to only be thought about behind closed doors….and only with your significant other (so long as they are of a different sex)… Were SO messed up, so much so that the programming has dictated to the weak of mind “if its naked, its pornographic!” Lets get real here…. the body is something we all have… Naked is something we all find to b part of our lives….Parents ought NOT to instill a fear of naked. Photography is ART for crying out loud… you can clearly see the child is NOT being abused, rather comforted (and if ya can’t… you have serious issues) and the adult is doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING QUESTIONABLE… It’s a beautiful photo…… but the WEST has some of us second guessing it…
Are We Lost?

A two year old child that is vomiting and has diarrhea what better place to be than in a shower, intelligent and compassionate father.

The same that wears swim trunks. Think you missed the point.

My thought as well. EZ to clean up. Poop and vomit down the drain not on the bed. Smart dad.

I believe the article stated , Thomas stripped down naked and cuddled his son.

To Deesker et al: please read the following: I am a Public Health Educator and learned many years ago about…kangaroo care, which is a method of caring for premature babies/toddlers in which the infants are held skin-to-skin with a parent, usually but not necessarily the mother, for as many hours as possible every day when a baby/toddler is under duress. This father is doing the perfect thing. I
realize with all media sensationalizing sexual abuse these days, it understandable to jump to wrong
conclusion. Please share this technique so we can differentiate between love and abuse.

I see nothing wrong with this photo. Being dressed in the shower would be strange. Not holding your son would be strange. Not comforting your son would be cruel. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this man holding his son, period. That said, I wouldn’t post a nude photo of my spouse on the internet, parts covered or not.

People are absolutely ignorant. I grew up in a strong, God loving large communal Christian family that was somewhat impoverished. To save on water, it was absolutely normal for some of us boys to jump in the shower with Dad in order to save on water and time. There is nothing sexual about nakedness, only sexual in the perverse thinking of your minds.

People always make too big of a deal about nudity: get over it! What I’m questioning is: why does everything need to be posted online? You just open yourself up to all these suspicious uptight people.

Uh huh.

The point was stupid. There is nothing wrong with a father sitting in the shower with his 1 year old

Reality, maybe?

HEART WARNING AND WHJO AYS HJE IS NAKED TAKE A LOOK A BIT CLOSER THE LEFT LEG SHOWS WHAT APPEARS TO BE MATERIAL ..MAYBE SHORTS

WHAT A LOVELY PIC WARMS MY OLD HEART NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT AT ALL

oh come on as adults we should be able to tell the difference between a man or woman sexually assult of
a child esp on line get a grip

Why? Why should the father have put on underwear? How would that have helped or better the situation regarding the crimes you mention.
Furthermore, how can you honestly know he doesn’t already HAVE underwear on? You certainly can’t tell only from looking at the picture. But just because it says that in the title, or caption, you automatically believe it?

However, I do respect your opinion that you think he should be wearing underwear, I just don’t agree with it. I think people that have been shamed by nudity, the human body, etc., or people that have been sheltered our led to believe these things are perverse, tend to be more inclined to commit the heinous crimes you mentioned.

So, no-one then?

Do you wear underwear in the shower?? Clearly they are in the shower, which is why the father and child are naked. People bring their own experiences and coloring to the world they see and everything is interpreted through the lens of ‘THEIR’ life experiences. It’s not about the father and child, it’s about the perception of the onlooker and who they are.

I’m very sorry that you quite possibly suffered some form of abuse at the hands of a male authority figure (at least your post leads me to believe that), but your comment is very wrong and very sexist, and unfortunately is far more damaging to our society than this picture is.
You’re quite obviously on a crusade to further damage any credibility man has of being a positive role model or caretaker of his own, or others children. What’s even worse is that since it’s much easier to just “go along” with your rhetoric, rather than actually check the facts, you’re trying to sway people (women) to join your misanthropic belief system under the guise of “Trying to get men to be better role models, mentors, moral builders” using skewed comments and zero facts.

And quite honestly, it’s pathetic!

No, Miss n97novice, the bigger problem isn’t the picture of the loving, nurturing father comforting his sick child, it’s people exactly like you, that have unfortunately used an innocent and beautiful picture as a platform to spew forth your ignorant and intolerant bile.

Weak!

Do you have separate bathrooms at your house for males and females?

After reading the story and the reason for the nakedness, it makes perfect sense. Who would get in a shower fully clothed? He’s holding his son who has fever and is vomiting as well as having diarrhea. No one needs clothes with all that going on. The warm water was probably very soothing to the child and he didn’t seem old enough to care whether his father was naked or not. He just wanted to be held until he felt better. No one needs to make something sinister or evil or sexual out of this unless your mind goes that place often enough to find the photo uncomfortable to look at. There is So much more to be concerned about than this photo. Geeezzzeeesss!!!

Exposed nakedness of what exactly? If you weren’t told the father was naked, you wouldn’t be able to tell one way or the other. This appears to be the same amount of “nakedness” that is quite acceptable in public. Which is pretty much any part of the body not genitalia, or boobs, or naked buttcracks and more.

Yaaay! Thank you, Doris! An educated and clear mind.

Im an artist and I love it!!

Twisted mind syndrome aye ??? What have we become ?? So hard to read a photo due to so much abuse to children.

Actually I think people with dirty minds do like it, that is the problem. They see what they want to see then blame everybody but themselves for their own bad thinking. And how can anybody honesly say that the majority of fathers are abusers and all mothers are saints? ask a social worker here in Britain I think you will find pretty much equal quantities of both. Also if that were a woman naled they would sexualise the woman, as it is a man they have sexualised the child by their belief that all men are already having sEx with kids anyway. IF YOU WANT THE TRUTH LOOK WITHIN YOURSELF FIRST!

I suggest the reason people see this as disturbing is that they have disturbed minds. It’s a guy showering his child!

What a filthy, hung up society we have when this, or a woman breastfeeding is sexualized or thought titillating!

Your “logic” is akin to, ” elephants trumpet loudly, so BMW should make an affordable sport sedan. ”

That’s about as big of a load of horseapples as I’ve seen on the internet -which is saying something! No, most men aren’t abusers. We’ve seen the constant barrage of anti-male rhetoric coming from the left as it follows their agenda.

They want neutered “pajama-boy” males that are docile and good “taxpaying units” -or should we be more accurate and say, “taxpaying eunuchs?”

When a woman gives birth she is encouraged to hold her baby and have skin to skin contact so they can bond. What is wrong with a Father hold his baby. For one thing the child is a baby second he is sick and needs comforting. Mom probably was proud of her husband that he takes time like this to help his son and she probably just wanted to share the caring of her husband towards his son. Why is there such a fuss over this and people saying a parent should not be naked in front of their children, BUT now transgender males can go into the locker room with the girls and expose them. Somebody care to give me a GOOD explanation of why that is ok, but this picture isn’t.

If God really wanted peace for humans, he would have given them the gift of the intuition which is gift of the Holy Spirit, so they would “feel” what this pictures clearly portrays, which is divine love this father had for his previous son. I felt it the minute I saw the picture.

If you thought otherwise, you are the one with evil in your heart, not the father. So glad to hear they found out what was ailing this poor child.

Sorry for typos I just woke up. 🙁

This shouldn’t be on social media….the creeps troll fb et al for kids and nudity of any kind. Innocent pix give the bizarre thrills… And let them know you have kids and potentially where they live and go to school or day care of play sports. Keep them off public social media.

Parent’s shouldn’t be naked around their kids? Yes, after a certain age, if opposite sex. If I had a daughter I wouldn’t mind. With the boys, yes age 2 is the oldest I think.

Just stop reading more into this picture than it represents. I see nothing wrong with it but, for various reasons I don’t think the mother should have posted it on social media. That is a lot of our problems today as younger generations put their entire lives out there for everyone to see. PRIVACY, is the keyword and some things need to be kept private.
I also see nothing wrong with letting your children see you naked from an early age, stop keeping your bodies in the closet and sex on your mind and wake up. Open minded parents are not wrong.

It was a tender moment showing the compassion and love a father had toward his sick son. Anyone who DON”T get that has serious daddy issues!!! Period!!!

If the child was ill, no problem, but should be kept private.

Nakedness is perfectly human, and normal, including between parents and young children, and tends to make for balanced and healthy attitudes towards one’s own body. Even without the story behind it, if the photo worries you then it is about your hang-ups and nothing more. That’s not your fault if you were brought up in a family that feels a need to hide their bodies, or if you had serious issues or personal experiences which have coloured your views and reactions. However, I would hope people would at least realise that they were biased in that way. Yes there are obviously issues in the world with abusers, but that should not make you judge or censor normal life. Photography is an art form, and one of the functions of it is to celebrate life, our experiences, and emotions. Another function is to provoke discussion so that we can examine our attitudes and understandings. So this is a great photo, and the fact that his face is not shown makes it more suited to the latter, and also more anonymous for that purpose.

There you go on the defensive as men always do. You’ve played exactly the card I expected men to play – you are a man obviously. As for the picture, I’m not using it for any platform. I just wish it were true or I could believe it to be true. The majority of people I know have had unsatisfactory father or husband figures in their life. Yes men must do better and better mentor each other to do better and not put up with unseemingly appropriate behaviour in any shape or form. I don’t care what your thoughts are because every day on the News it speak the facts of men spiralling out of control consistently. I’m not going to paint a picture so as not to hurt your feelings (which I can see I have) – now that’s pathetic. You are pathetic like a lot of men, not strong enough to stand up and say “yes we do need to do better in this day and age of society” and what a plausible start that would be. Men can’t keep going on the way they are going and now society sees them with caution especially around children be it male or female. Mothers have to constantly take their male children to the female toilets because they can’t trust their children to not come to any harm in the male toilets and one point in their lives. Or trust men to naturally feel paternal towards a young male when lone in the male toilets and discretly protect that child if the toilets are busy or a another lone male there. Females do this sort of thing all the time without children even knowing and that’s just a tiny bit of females protecting other children that aren’t their own. Females become mothers to all children generally when outside. Just damn well and flippin evolve now as it’s about time Mr Neanderthal. Cos society isn’t caring now about your male egos and feelings. It’s now caring about society not falling prey to the two legged monster that look respectable and responsible using his position and look as a covert to infiltrate invisibly in society worming his way to his next victim. Sorry, society is no longer fooled and words will not help you. Men best start leading by action and not words as I suspect you will lead with next in your reply to me!!!

“in an attempt to comfort him, her husband Thomas stripped down and sat in the shower with Fox for two hours”

Still don’t see where it says ‘naked’. Not that it matters….either way, I see no issue with what the father did in this situation. I have been in similar situations where I did a Eucalyptus Steam Bath for my croupy child. When in this situation, the LAST thing you are thinking of is your ‘nakedness’ or being self concious. Your ENTIRE focus is on the care & well-being of your child.

This is a really sweet picture – our society is so obsessed with abuse that we are denying ourselves the possibility of physical closeness that is loving but not sexual. Me and my wife were naked around our kids at times when they were little – although now they are hitting the teens they run a mile,shouting “gross”!
And yes he could have briefs on but why should he? Being naked isn’t sexual all the time! He could do with a few sessions in the though…probably doesnt get time with all that child care!

I’m sorry for the bad experiences you’ve had with men n97novice, but please don’t paint all men with the same brush. I too have suffered abuse both as a child and as an adult, at the hands of both men and women. Instead of judging men and women in light of my past experiences I’ve learned to leave the abuse in the past where it belongs, not to allow it to continue to impact my life. Yes, bad things do happen to good people, but one is not forced to allow those bad things to impact their lives forever, there are ways to let it go and free oneself. It doesn’t mean that the bad things are now okay, it just means that one is now free to live one’s life to the full, and leave the past in the past.

You sound like a nice guy and I totally agree with you. My boy child would be very accepting of different people also and that is what being human is about and how I’d want him to be. More men need to be like you in being very open, transparent and sincerely nice. There is nothing wrong with children sharing bathrooms or seeing their parents naked as my boy sees me naked every day and now it’s like nothing to him – another ordinary day of mum parading around getting ready in the nude. He’s at ease with his body and other people’s bodies and differences. He’s very caring towards babies and very young children. He goes all coy when he see them. He’s very affectionate and tells me that I don’t hug him enough (which I actively make my self as I’ve never been hugged by my parents). He’s a fully rounded and adjusted lad even though life isn’t perfect. He will be a male asset to any woman and society and a trusted and reliable one at that. If only most men were like this. Men must actively mentor publicly and speak out to other males when they are behaving inapproately as women do all the time to both genders. People would then start seeing men in a different light. As all too many times we actively see the bad things about men and what they do and rarely see the good.

The picture and reality does not match. Obviously the wife of this husband is a very lucky and enviable lady and so is the kid as daddy will do all he can for s/he. However, reality to wives and children are all to unfortunately the opposite of this picture in many way. If you continue on just about the picture, it’s lovely!!!!

In an ideal world the father doesn’t need to wear anything in the shower with his child (or bath). Daddies (as mummies) should be able to parade around the house naked as is healthy for any child and will make them completely at home with their bodies. However, the picture does not reflect reality and that is the sad part, the picture is far from reality. Most children in this position would sadly fall pray. However, that is not to say if you know deep in your heart that you are a male pure of heart with pureness towards your children that I don’t see why you shouldn’t do this. Most mothers today would be secretly concerned about their hubby as I would. But would allow him to do it because he’s the daddy (and you want your hubby to be very close to his child(ren)) but watch him secretly. What would reveal itself is if you are reliable, trustworthy, pure all of this would signal to mummy that daddy can be trusted completely. However, if mummy’s gut feelings start to tell her otherwise she would just discretly ensure that the situation doesn’t happen again and steer daddy away from doing bath times or anything that warrants him getting intimate with child. We women are always detectives when it comes to our children. Some of us don’t always get it right from being equipped stupidly. The picture is lovely and I often dream of a world where men and women are equal in their credibility around children but that’s a dream. Still, the picture is rather nice though!

What you are saying, I don’t disagree with you at all. You also forgot that when men entered the household they had to also behave a certain, say civil way. They did as they were told pretty much and offered strong support to their female partners. This was when most men and women knew their place in the world. But then men abused it by expecting the women to be in the home whilst they cheated, drank, had fun and came home expecting things to be in place and their partners still obliging and not ask any questions – why because he was the bread winner! Whilst women got out of it a roof over their heads only forgetting about the price they paid with their bodies to bare children for him and keep a good home. Most men also expected their wives not to question them when they came home or they’d push their weight around. This abuse of men overstepping their place led to women’s lib and feminism and women didn’t want to be treated like second class citizens and unappreciated. So the Western world the way it is today is due to men!! So now society has long changed since caveman ruled and the 60s because women saw themselves equally as important, if not more caring for the very core of society. What I’m saying is that men have had plenty of time to learn interpersonal skills by now as it’s a bit late in the day wouldn’t you say!!! Women are not putting up with it any longer and men just better get it somehow quickly as they’ve ran out of time. I always tell men to also mentor other men, their friends, young males – if they are behaving (or saying things) inappropriately men need to not be afraid and tell them “I’m sorry, that is not called for ” etc etc. But in all honesty men are too scared to do this. Women do it all the time to both genders. How many more decades can we allow to pass using the same old excuses, and ones about when men were cavemen. Even cavemen behaved a certain way in the pack. There was always some form of order – the hierachy male and female. Some animals have better orderly society function than we as human do and that is the males no their place as do females and any abuse of that they are outed. Men just simply need to do better, be more trusted, reliable, etc etc.

Reality is subjective……everybody’s reality is different. Your normal is different than mine…. & honestly, in this specific instance, the only reality we were discussing is this photo. We are all aware of the hideousness that is in the world….it just shouldn’t color something negatively which isn’t negative!

I think it is a great picture! A father showing his unwavering love for his son. People who think it is disgusting or unnatural need to reaccess what their priorities are.

Nudity is NOT abuse. Just because there are human monsters that abuse children and film it does not make any parent comforting a child nude or not, an abuser. It seems to me that this picture is a good Rorschach test for sexual abuse victims; especially victims in denial.

You are what your born with as far as equipment! This transgender, gay, lesbian life, is a choice!!

Ugliness, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder!

I think it is an amazing picture and that man should be hugged and praised for what he is doing as a father. Anyone who finds this disturbing has a filthy mind.

I don’t believe that. To do so fosters magical thinking. They should be taught to accept reality – that their gender should align with their sex. They will be able to cope with the real world far better than to toss them into the world hoping against hope that they can be something other than what God created them to be.

No, but we do not have issues with personal privacy as one does in public with strangers.

Who knows that he doesn’t?

Of course you are not wrong about women. Just like everything else in society, nothing is 100% one way. However, it’s the ratio of men to women that inflict abuse as in crime in general. You are more likely 9 times out of 10 encounter a male abuser than a woman abuser. As this policeman on TV once said. If the public knew the ratio of abusers they’d never trust anyone and it’s true for those that have been abused – unfortunately, always male. I’m sorry but men can’t be trusted around children which is unfortunate because I don’t like that fact either. But it is a fact that trusting men you will be bitten all too quickly. To say to me just to grow up just because you don’t like the fact that “men” can be a problem in society is you also not being a male mentor in society. To not be part of the solution is being part of the problem. Males lack mentors from males, they grow up without understanding responsibility or understanding it’s OK to have bad thoughts as long as you understand you DO NOT act on them – you don’t hurt another person because of your selfishness. People can’t help their thoughts but they can help their actions (behaviour). Men need to be nurtured from toddlers and too many fathers don’t actively do this. They are either just there in the home, going to work but not an active POSITIVE guardian in their children’s lives. A family doesn’t say mum plus man that just goes to work. It says “mum and dad”. Equal partners in raising good, positive, the next future generation of society by both mum and dad. To be part of a family unit and not embrace your part in the responsibility of bringing the children up. Letting the children see that men can be loving, caring, give a damn and not just about work helps males to grow well balanced. But too often it’s the mothers doing male jobs. Some mothers do it very well but others don’t realise the extra effort that is needed if the father is not around or not participating. Only one male MP (Member of Parliament) one day said “it’s not enough for fathers to go to work and come back home and just sit on the sofa reading the papers …….” and then we never heard much about it again. Probably stunted by the male dominated environment! But it’s a fact that too many fathers do this and I feel males need positive mentoring and reinforcing that society cares about them and they equally must invest in society that way too. It doesn’t need to be swept under the carpet and “grow up” syndrome all the time thank you!!

You might disagree with me but show me the data that say fathers are doing enough!!!. Abuse from fathers in the home is very rife. It is not just the abuse we are all thinking of with regards to the picture. It is aggressive abuse, violent abuse, etc on many levels. There’s no point in quoting the roles in prehistoric times because if we’ve not learnt that men’s and women’s roles have not changed since then, it’s no wonder the world is in a mess. Men lack and girl children lack positive, moral input from most fathers. They just go to work come in, sit down with the newspaper, have their dinner and go to bed and the cycle starts over again – and this is passive fathers. If they do participate, it’s not positive and usually frustrations from a bad day at work, or feelings is vented on the whole family. Fathers have to actively have a hand in both sexes of children from a very young age. Show them that men can be loving and caring and not just about their work. Actively have a hand reading children stories at night, taking an interest in their school work and helping where possible. Naturally if he works then daddy may not be able to take on these duties totally but to give a percentage of his time in the week would show both sexes of children that daddies (males) do care just like mummies. Dads are just not mentoring their children enough or in a loving way just their unevolved way and society is suffering for it. Daddies are eqully important in society as mummies. Research has just shown daughters that don’t have fathers in their lives make very bad decisions when it comes to relationships and they find it hard to negotiate relationships to longlasting. Men on the other hand can make it well without the father if the mother understands she has to put in extra extra work with that little male but if the mother is the not good then the male will suffer also (as females). So there’s some short change going on if fathers don’t do their job. I know there are lots of great fathers around and one sees that daily (and not the ones that put on a good show outside but opposite inside). But also there are a huge proportion of fathers that just can’t be bothered to go the whole way. They get bored after a while. In the beginning they are putting on a good show but when the cuteness goes, sadly so usually the daddy!

Why is it that women pick the wrong men and then complain about it.

Why not go on the defensive? Women often make bad choices in men …. and then they bitch and moan that all men are alike. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

That’s you who’ve gone on the defensive and straying from the subject that men should be better mentors. Responsible women don’t blame men for their bad decision. They may understand that they didn’t have the best of hands dealt. They may be immature and blame men, label all men alike in the beginning when young inexperienced to life but eventually their evolved minds, caring inability, and not just plain stupid to think the few bad apples mean all bad apples like you’ve just clearly done – using the “bitch” word, hmmm!. Who’s the typical fool now or are you in denial because you were one of those men I described. Women don’t just sit on their morals and blame men. They don’t have the time and can’t be bothered with all that immature not taking responsibility crap – we take part and parcel responsibility for our lives. That might come EASY FOR YOU TO DO (CLEARLY), but I certainly don’t do that. I do see life for what life clearly is and men need to become better mentors. Perhaps, can we start with you!!!

Do you even remember your reply. You used the word “bitch” and you say it makes your mind wonder about me!!!! It’s no wonder the world is the way it is with male crime so high in every corner, when men like you are in big denial about yourselves (lack of responsibility to help with change). I didn’t use any awful words towards you (personal) but you went there. I was just stating the fact which I wish it was different. You as a male can effect that change by being a mentor and not just go straight to anger issues because you don’t like what you hear. You made quite a “bitch” of a statement actually so it’s you who needs to take responsibility and look at yourself perhaps. I’m already on board with mentoring society where possible – ARE YOU PART OF THE SOLUTION! or part of the problem – which one!!

Probably because I am not the angry one bitching and moaning about the topic. Seems to me you jumped to embrace and own the observation. I’m not surprised because grievance magnets always need an issue to be victimized over.

I have no need to look at myself since I am not the pseudo-victim, just a truth teller.

Yep, you are one of those men that don’t make any sense whatsoever. You use the bitch word and then you imply it was I who was moaning and bitching. You are very grieved by the truth but you turn it to me when I’d like to see solutions and then you imply me being a victim – pathetic male you are. Unfortunately, men like you don’t make any sense in society. No point in talking to men like you – thank heavens they are few. You are in denial and many other things. You are part of the problem and not the solution. It’s clear what happening to the world when it comes to crime and it’s a one way gender problem – ratio 95 males to 5 females. You can’t even see that men need better mentoring from their own gender, men (as females try). You interpret it as men being picked on. Well tell that to all the victims out their – children, women and men. Also, I’ve never been a victim of such crime thank you (got that wrong again) but I’m not blind as you are. Lets hope crime don’t come your way because you can guarantee it will be by a MALE (yes, your gender) – see what you say then. Help the society help males from getting out of hand. When male elephants reach a certain age, they are kicked out of the from the nurturing den because they begin to make trouble with the young elephants, badly influencing them if you like. The older male elephants take it upon themselves to discipline the younger males bring them into line and how to behave. Unfortunately human males don’t do this whatsoever, if they see young males out of hand they just whimpishly look the other way – nothing of mentoring words to say. Even with their own children (girls included) they don’t do enough. Look, I’m wasting my time with you!!!

You have made the case in my favor with your victim status. The rest of your rant is a Ginsbergasm – not any substance. Certainly no solutions to whatever your problem is.

Explain yourself how the victim status is in your favour. You just keep coming out with it don’t you – rubbish, not making any sense just words. IT’S NOT ABOUT ME AND YOU GOING AT IT!! IT’S ABOUT THE SAFETY OF CHILDREN. Keeping children safe and that unfortunately is to not put trust in all men (no blanket trust) as we tend to in women. We have to trust one gender and that is the gender (women) that usually can be trusted in the region of 95% and not the gender that is 50% (males). If females offended on the same rate as males the world would be even more badly fcuekd up and humans would be totally disgusting – unable to trust both males and females. Thank heavens children can be trusted in the care of females. What would happen if we did trust men – more children would fall prey. That dad in the picture as the mother said was doing a beautiful thing for his baby and that’s how fathers should be. Fathers should feel they would do anything to keep their offsprings from harm, jump in front of a moving train for them and feel totally disgusted by even the thought of abuse – feel paternal towards other people’s children too. But this is far from reality I hate to say. Men can be monters an you know it. To be honest some abusers would want to push forward the rhetoric to trust men and that people are ugly for not trusting men – like men are the victims or innocent party here – children are. Who cares how demonising it may be to men as long as children are safe. Flippin help with keeping your gender in check – why don’t already!! Now if you want to help with un-demonising men set yourself up POSITIVELY cos I’m sick of men turning it round to be all about them and only them. Weak, just calling it as it is – can’t suffer fools anymore in this respect.

You just keep digging yourself in deeper with your hatred and discriminations. Why do we all feel dirty and in need of a shower after reading your poison?

Well flippin do something about the men that are making you “good” men look bad then because there’s a high proportion of them. Because there’s too many of them. So what are YOU doing to help mentor men to be more caring of our little people even if they are not biologically yours no matter what colour, creed or race. WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT, RATHER THAN JUST BEING DEFENISIVE WHICH ADDS NOTHING (AS USUAL TO SOCIETY). Oh, and that phrase “pajama-boy” males have been said before, it’s stale and no one believes that for a second. However, if that’s what it takes society to be better towards the little people then so be it. IT’S WHATEVER IT TAKES. IT’S NOT ABOUT “MEN” AND “MEN’S FEELINGS” I SAY ONCE AGAIN, IT’S ABOUT THE LITTLE MALES (FUTURE MEN) AND LITTLE GIRLS (FUTURE FEMALES). Lets see another man thinking about himself and no one else. Selfish!

She is a man-hating liberal bigot. Nothing she rants about makes any sense. Just typical hysterics.

I raise my children to be strong, resourceful, self reliant and respectful. I try to teach them to be inquisitive and introspective. You’re making this up as you go along. The statistics don’t agree with your emotions.

You’re entitled to your own feelings, just not your own facts.

Probably to show a beautiful moment between child and parent stripped of any artifice. Most cultures aren’t as hung up on nudity and sexuality as we are, thank goodness. I really am stumped as to how people find the photo titillating or “erotic.”

That’s you when it comes to emotions. So you raise your children to be strong, resilient, respectful etc etc. Wow you are one hell of a catch – a rare breed. Just because you deem yourself to be a good father doesn’t mean you represent men in general. As for facts just watch the news daily – who cares about statistics as facts speak for themselves. Everyday the papers or TV news speaks of some disgusting crime at the hands of men. So by your implied admission men appear to behave absolutely fine in society do they? Society has no need to worry about the way how a large proportion of men care to conduct themselves because of you, you behave saintly yet I’m the emotional one because even the news and the papers lie. The victims that we see daily both gender lie because men in general are like you. Who’s emotional now – feeling that I’m attacking men yet you want to pull that old rubbish that I’m the emotional one because of course I’m female – typical male using the oldest rubbish in the book. You are more emotional than me. I don’t like the fact that I have to say this about men. I wish men could stand next to female equally on the same morale high ground platform but fact they just don’t come near. When you hear some heinous crime on the news done by man or something done to a child (a baby even) and again by man just say to yourself that men are still OK and swim in your river of denial cos again I don’t know how you men do it but you are good at not facing the truth in front of your eyes when it comes to gender crime. I can only prey you don’t become a victim one day of a crime because it will surely be by the hands of another, what did you say I hear, female – I don’t think so!!!

Pathetic – hatred for whom – the children?? Silly man, it’s about the children not your personal male issues with society. Oh and I do have a disgust for abusers of all kinds – don’t you? Just because society is no longer prepared to feed men like you what you want to hear about your gender that it’s all good when who’s that helping – JUST YOU! Certainly not helping the innocents in society and that’s all I care about. Can’t be bothered with your feelings because you are big enough and probably ugly enough to look after yourself. But the babies of the world aren’t (yet) and we must protect them so. Men can’t just expect to be let into the middle of the “Circle of Trust” among children until they prove themselves worthy (caring, considerate, mentoring etc). If men were allowed in the “Circle of Trust” everything would appear all nice on the outside (as you’d have everyone believe) but undercover or in secret many children would be suffering. Forget that – I’m not trusting my innocents so likely without secretly watching how little nuances of behaviour are appearing – yes I do my watching as we all should! Are they normal or are they suggesting something – what can we learn from behaviour, loads. Men must earn the “Circle of Trust” and not expect it or think just because they are fathers then it follows they aren’t abusers either. People are wising up. If you as a man know deep down you have nothing to worry about because you are genuinely trustworthy, caring and like females looking to always protect (most of us anyway) then a woman wise women will see that. If you aren’t then you have every bit to worry about being watched in public. If it helps a little-un then what’s the problem with it when the crime rate is high. The Circle of Trust opens up to more men the more they are also on board not wanting the few bad eggs (but large numbers) to make them look bad. You don’t care about that of course. What, are you coming at me again because you only care about your grown up genders!!! If women were the abusers generally, I would just say “well what do you expect why men don’t trust us. It is for us to prove and show that we can be trusted and the only way is to be suspicious of other women” – except it’s men do the same.

Just more hate speech from you. Derp.

I guess you could say it is hate speech because it is the hateful truth. Or are you telling me that that part of crime is perpetrated by females? Because if I’m wrong I hold my hands up high and say “sorry”!. I wish I could say a big sorry to you but I can’t. You so wish I fell into the stereotypical feminist, hating on men thing and that would to you justify I must hate men, of course – right!. I can see you now splurting out the words “… bitches hating on us men … blah blah blah”. Well the world isn’t going to stop for you men and your stereotypical way of how you pigeon hole see women. We are a complicated gender and we think this way equally appreciating men. Because believe it or not we do realise the high proportion of “real good men” out there and we are grateful for them because they install humanity that not all men are animals. May be the bad men should be neutered. It’s just that we care too much about the innocents and when we see abuse we are no longer going to pussy foot around men’s feelings. So either get on bored or stay on the fringes moaning whilst not helping to do anything about it. Three types of men – the moaners, the abusers, and the best of society’s doers. It’s exactly the same for females just that the proportion is different.

No, it’s hate speech because you are a hater. It’s not rocket science.

You mean cos I’m not saying nice things about “your” gender. You are taking it too personal as though I’m saying that you are an abuser. And don’t bother come back saying you might as well cos then I could say “guity conscience …” and all that which I’m not even saying. Your problem is you take it all too personally. Just get off your shattered ego horse and help with the problem and stop making it out to be something it’s not. I just don’t want to see any more innocents abused which I’m sick of hearing constantly on the news or other peoples experiences. Maybe it don’t bother you on the scale that it does me and if it does how are you helping to stamp it out? I know I am!

No, because you are a hater. Plain and simple.

I guess if it works for you then keep telling yourself that word “hater” is what I am. Denial is a beautiful thing because it is exactly the same as blissful ignorance! As for me, I’m in the here and now – reality of how life is at the moment!

What do you say now about statistics. Look at the football clubs across the UK where just about all of them host abusers (men) on children. It’s a huge amount of men and some professional footballers that have come forward to talk about it. It’s not statistics, according to a police programme the head of the pedophile department tracking undercover said, if people knew how rife it is they just wouldn’t allow their kids to do any activities or let them out. He said for every three houses there’s a pedophile – how scary is that!! This is from the mouth of another male pedophile tracker. Like I said it’s a male problem and I do feel sorry for the good trusted men because it makes all of us unable to trust men around one’s children. My son has a male pianist-teachers and even though the mother and daughters are at home I worry sick thinking is he going to turn out to be a monster. I always indiscreetly quiz my child about how the lesson went and also look for any signs where his personality has changed or he’s not happy. It’s very sad that I feel the need to do that and can’t trust men. If he was not married and also the deal breaker, didn’t have any children and they weren’t around then I would certainly not allow him to teach my child. In my mind I’d be thinking I’m not giving him the chance at my child’s expense to prove whether he’s a good law abiding caring male citizen when what if he turns out not (a monster) – not ever taking that chance with lone males, or males not married, or males without children and even then that doesn’t guarantee.

I have no experience with British sexual culture. I would have to see the actual statistics and their source. I still say that there are far, far more many good people than bad, and that’s based on 20+ years working in criminal justice. The boogeyman is not under every bed.